you can disagree with a witness you can disagree with someone on the city council. but when you're sitting in front of millions of americans and you are discussing serious issues, it is not about you. and it's not about your ego. it's about a message. the message is scorned, disrespect, hatred or contempt, or their positions. that's an important signal to you. they say, well, here is a guy, if we need to compromise in this country, and i think we doing a lot of issues, he's not going to force it. megyn: the thing is you can go after a witness in the a courtroom, but they have to earn it, otherwise you risk alienating the jury. the same seems to be true in a debate. you can go after your opponents hard. but you better not be contemptuous unless you have assurances that the audience feels the same way about the person. >> you are absolutely right. in doing it, people understand that these gaffes that he had committed, they're not just gaffes. megyn: but a lot of them have been lovable. you know, that is forgivable. >> that's real life, but when he says they're trying